GUTS Podcast Round 2 and Where We Now Begin From
What I am learning is that my role is not to guide these conversations forward, but to protect the space where they can remain open. To resist the urge to clarify too quickly. To allow silence to do its work. To trust that conversation does not need an ending to be meaningful.
When I began recording the first episodes of GUTS, I thought I understood what I was building.
I knew the question, “What do you believe life has designed you for?”I had a sense of the format and I carried the lineage of the work that had led me there.
What I did not yet understand was how rare the space itself would feel.
Not the studio nor the microphones.But the simple act of two people sitting together without an agenda beyond the conversation itself.
In the early episodes, I still carried a subtle orientation toward arrival. Toward coherence. Toward something resolving by the end. Not for an audience, but almost as a reflex. As if a conversation needed to land somewhere to justify the time it took to have it.
What I began to notice, episode by episode, is that the most alive moments arrived when nothing was trying to conclude.
They arrived when a conversation was allowed to exist for its own sake. Two people sharing time. Sharing attention. Sharing space without trying to produce insight, wisdom, or closure.
The art of conversation is not something we practice very often anymore. Not like this. Without distraction. Without performance. Without the quiet pressure to be useful, efficient, or impressive.
Again and again, guests would say some version of the same thing, that they could not remember the last time they had a conversation like this. One that did not need to go anywhere. One that was not trying to solve something. One that simply allowed them to think out loud in the presence of another human being.
That acknowledgment has stayed with me.
Because what became clear is that GUTS is not primarily about the questions. It is about the creation of a container where unfinished thoughts are welcome. And it wasn’t about sharing what they achieved but rather the lessons that got them there.
In this new space, something different happens.
People slow down.They stop reaching for answers they already know.They begin to pause in unfamiliar places.
You can feel it when it happens. A moment where someone realizes they are about to say something they have not said before. Not because it is dramatic, but because it is still forming. They hesitate. They search. They sit inside the question instead of stepping past it.
Those pauses are not empty. They are full.
They are the sound of a person discovering a new edge of themselves in real time.
What I am learning is that my role is not to guide these conversations forward, but to protect the space where they can remain open. To resist the urge to clarify too quickly. To allow silence to do its work. To trust that conversation does not need an ending to be meaningful.
As we move into the next batch of episodes, this has changed how I show up.
The questions are simpler now. Not because they are less precise, but because they are less defended. They are invitations rather than instruments.
I am listening differently too. Less for the story being told. More for the place where language begins to thin out. And where my curiosity piques even if there is no logical reason for it. Listening for the gaps in silence, changes in tone, something internal working its way out.
This next chapter of GUTS is built around a quiet conviction. That conversation itself is a form of intimacy. That two souls meeting without a destination is not inefficient or indulgent. It is rare. And necessary.
The work is no longer about getting somewhere.
It is about making space.
And staying there long enough for something honest to appear.
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